VintDirt-digest         Tuesday, April 1 1997         Volume 01 : Number 001




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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:34:56 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Test Post

This is the first test post
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:57:30 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt test 2

test 2
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:02:09 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt General stuff from the administrator

Hello folks,

Thanks for signing up.  Things are moving along smartly, and 
hopefully there will be lots of snappy patter going on soon.

A word of warning:  don't use the term "subscri*e" in your posts.  
It looks like the majordomo software parses regular list messages for 
command words, and I've had a couple of my own messages bounced 
because it didn't know how to treat the other unknown words coupled 
with the subsri** command word.

Also, don't forget that anything that has more than 3 times the 
amount of quoted text vs the new text will get bounced.  Prune the 
old included messages before you send the new message.

Digests are set to be issued every day, and towards the end of the 
first week I'll either post offering to forward the weeks digests to 
the latecomers, or hopefully I'll have figured out how to access the 
archived text so that I can post instructions.

I'd include an intro, but I a lot of your names coming through on the 
subscribe messages are familiar.  If you don't know me, check out my 
web site for some bio stuff, along with various articles on my 
projects, and lots of photos of trick-framed bikes and other bumf.

If you have any questions on the list operation feel free to post me 
directly, or to the list if you think others need to know too.

Have fun!

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:10:46 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Membership stats

FYI,

As of 9 PM PST there are:

VintRR  57
VintDirt  6
GSTwin  9
LtWtRR  5
MC-Chassis 12

people signed up so far (regular and digest).

Once things have trickled down a bit from the members from the lists 
I'm on I'll post info to the newsgroups.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:48:19 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Reminders from the list admin

Hello listers,

Welcome to the new members (I added about 100 so far today to all the 
lists, and my fingers are tired!).  You'll see some variation of this 
post pretty near daily for the next few days, until some of the 
bounces stop.

REMEMBER:

Don't use the word "subscrib*" in your posts.   This version of
Majordomo parses all the messages to the lists, as well as messages
to the software.  If it sees a command word (only the s* word so
far) in a post to the list it will try to treat the post as a
command, and will bounce it both to you and to me when it can't
figure out what to do.

For those of you who use multiple PCs/ISPs:  these are closed lists.
 If your email address isn't in the list of suscr****ers your
message will be bounced.  I've already had a couple of people who,
it appears, signed on from work and then posted when they got home
to their private account.  It won't work.

Remember that Majordomo looks at the quoted text:new text ratio.  If 
the quoted text is more than 3X the new text it will bounce your 
post.  Keep the included text pruned to the minimum to prevent a 
bounce (and make it easier to read for the rest of us).

The bounce messages should show you somewhere in them why the post
bounced.  I get a copy of every bounce to deal with, and I'll try to
send you a message pointing out what you need to do to correct the
bounce, but it would be helpful if you could try to figure it out on
your own too (or maybe even prevent the bounce from occuring).  If I
have to spend a lot of time dealing with bounces I'm going to change
it so I'm not notified about the bounce, and you'll be stuck on your
own, at least until I get a chance to help you after you've notified 
me.  

Digests should be issued daily (if there was any traffic in the given 
24 hour period).  I'll keep copies of the digests on file, and will 
send them to you (but don't be in a rush to receive them).

Replies will automatically be sent to the list, unless you change the 
address.  Keep this in mind if you are going to make a personal reply 
to someone.

Be patient.  I have to do this in my (right now) limited free time.
If I had realized it would be so time consuming (hopefully this will
taper off once the initial rush is over) I would have postponed
things for a month, until the Laverda is back together and the 2
national vintage races later this month are over. 

Still, let me know if something isn't going right on the lists or 
your traffic, and I'll try to get things sorted out ASAP.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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VintDirt-digest        Wednesday, April 2 1997        Volume 01 : Number 002




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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:39:41 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt List stuff

It looks like some people may be having trouble with their typing
and/or reply-to address when they subsc*ibe.  Then again, some people
just appear to be having trouble - they are getting the list messages
but aren't being recognized by the list when posting.

I'm seeing your bounced messages, and doing what I can to try and
correct things.  Sirius just started offering lists last week, and
I've already identified one bug in the software that they've
corrected.  If you get a bounce, I'm trying to send you a message
after I've checked things out asking you to repost the bounced
message.  Please don't keep reposting over and over.  If you have
trouble, send me an email.  

If I can't correct things I'll send an email to the admin at Sirius,
but they only answer stuff during regular work hours, so it may take
12-24 hours to get things straightened out.

FWIW, this message just bounced all 5 lists because I used the 
complete spelling of the dreaded sub***** word in the original text.  
The price of not bouncing is eternal vigilance, or something like 
that.

Thanks,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:08:13 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Addresses must match and a new bad word

I just had Ollie repost his message, as the first time bounced as not
being a list member.  He had his reply-to addre** changed (for
anti-spam reasons) from his actual addre** which he was subcr***d
under.

I asked him to change his reply-to addre** to his actual addre**, and
his message went through.

I guess this means that any of you that have some email addre** in
your reply-to line other than the one the list can look up will have
to change things to match when you post to the list.

It also looks like you may need to have the addre** from which the
post is sent match as well.

The above bounced as it seems that majordomo gets confused with 
addre** as well as subscri** (though it got to line 6 before 
bouncing, ignoring the first instances of addre**).

I'm going to send a message to the ISP admin and ask them about this,
since it seems like more people are doing this modification on a
regular basis.  

My message is getting even longer with the new problem.

Perhaps we should just drop a vowel from every word, just in case?

Thanks for your patience; mine is starting to evaporate.

Things will get sorted out eventually.

Thanks,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:19:37 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt A possible solution?

subscribe 
subscribe 
subscribe
address
address
address

If this gets through I may have fixed the mistaken command word 
problem.

The Admin told me that my setting "administrivia" to yes in the 
configure file may have made majordomo over-sensitive to command 
words in posts.  I've just set it to off for all lists (regular and 
disgests) and I'm sending this message to see if it helps.

I bet by now you all can hardly wait to start your own exciting 
career as a mailing list administrator.  If any of you have extensive 
experience with Majordomo and can shed some light on this (or offer 
some helpful tips), please send me an email.

8:18PM, and I still haven't gotten into the garage.  Grrr.  At least 
I didn't have any crises with the LAN at work today with which to deal.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:34:00 +0000
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Vintage Trials Bikes

I know some of you are familiar with my vintage trials project from 
the MC-Trials list, but those of you who aren't might enjoy taking a 
look at it on my web site.

It is a CB160 Honda twin being built for AHRMA Premier Lightweight.

Stock frame (slightly deraked), Betor forks, full-sized wheels and a 
TL125ish alloy tank, as soon as I make one.

The engine has been modified for trials with flat top bigger bore 
pistons, smaller intake and exhaust ports, a very twisty 2-1 exhaust 
that I built, and eventually a bigger flywheel/alternator from a 
different bike.  I'm still going to run the stock twin carbs.

My friend Craig bought a Gilera 124 engine to build a Prem Ltwt 
trialer around, and there is a fellow here in the Bay Area who has 
finished setting up a 125 Moto Guzzi Stornello for the same class.  

Are there any other uncommon specials out there?  If so, and they are 
technically interesting, I'd be interested in considering putting a 
picture of them on my web site along with the mass of other pictures 
already there.

Oh, yes, - I've also got a special-framed B44 trials project too.  
Many of the same engine mods, and probably a Miller Highboy style 
frame, unless I decide to do a Scorpion monocoque instead.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 20:25:17 -0400
From: Henrik Broen 
Subject: VintDirt first attempt

Hello everbody, let us see if this new list works, hope it is sorted 
by now !

My name is Henrik and I have been involved with old english bikes, 
mostly BSAs, for the past 20 years. The past 5 years I have become 
more and more absorbed by the modern trials scene, having a daghter 
and son riding 50cc bikes. My role is normaly as either as clerk of 
the course or referee at "modern" Norwegian events. There is no 
vintage trials in Norway (yet !) Over the years I have collected a few 
old trials bikes, a -50 BSA B32A, a -61 Tiger Cub (S/L), a -61 Greeves 
Scottish, a -77 Bultaco Alpina and a -86 125cc Fantic. In addition it 
is my daughters Beta and my sons Honda to take care of ! 
Most of my bikes are half restored (to many projects ?) but yesterday 
I had my first ever ride on the Greeves. It was in fact my first ride 
on any old trials bike ! What an experience ! Heavy, primitive thing 
and the most enjoyable ride I have had for years ! I will now try to 
set it up properly, and I hope this list will come in handy for that.
First modification is to replace the standard 32A engine with a 37A 
with a Alpha crank and Greeves Challenger top end.
I also have a trials webpage in Norwegian, modern stuff, see below.

- -- 
Best wishes
Henrik Broen
Solvangvn. 20
5500 Haugesund
Norway
Tel.:  + (47) 52 71 67 56  /  + (47) 52 85 25 66
Fax.:  + (47) 52 85 08 98
Homepage (motorcycle trials):  http://home.sol.no/broen/
E-mail:  broen@online.no

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 13:08:48 -0600
From: Fred Hunter 
Subject: VintDirt Yamaha DT-1A

Fellow vintage-dirt list members (both of you):

I'm looking for a 1968 Yamaha DT-1A.  You know, the one before the gold
tank '69 model that ended up being called the DT-1B.  The A had a white
tank and a small tach.  Anyone know of one for sale?

Fred Hunter
CX-650 Turbo
CB-92

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 13:17:56 -0600
From: Fred Hunter 
Subject: Re: VintDirt A possible solution?

Mike:

Just to let you know I received your message that started with 3
sus***ibe and 3 add***s words just fine.

We all appreciate your efforts to make a go of the lists.  Hang in
there.  Your dedication shows.

Fred Hunter
CX-650 Turbo
CB-92

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 15:02:56 -0500
From: Larry Welsh 
Subject: Re: VintDirt first attempt

Henrik Broen wrote:
> 
> Hello everbody, let us see if this new list works, hope it is sorted
> by now !
 but yesterday
> I had my first ever ride on the Greeves. It was in fact my first ride
> on any old trials bike ! What an experience ! Heavy, primitive thing
> and the most enjoyable ride I have had for years ! I will now try to
> set it up properly, and I hope this list will come in handy for that.

Henrik:
     I believe your post is the first, other than Mike Moore's.
Congratulations!
     In it's time, the Greeves was considered quite light and capable. I
was service manager in the '60's for Cemoto East in the US, importer of
Bultacos. I rode a lot of the competition for comparison. I even won an
observed trials in Florida in the early '70's on a Yamaha DT-1! Much
heavier and more difficult to ride than the Greeves.
     I checked out your website. A little difficult for me to
 understand ! =8^) How about some pictures of older machines?

Regards,
Larry Welsh

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:40:25 -0400
From: Henrik Broen 
Subject: Re: VintDirt first attempt

Larry Welsh wrote:

>      In it's time, the Greeves was considered quite light and capable. I
> was service manager in the '60's for Cemoto East in the US, importer of
> Bultacos. I rode a lot of the competition for comparison. I even won an
> observed trials in Florida in the early '70's on a Yamaha DT-1! Much
> heavier and more difficult to ride than the Greeves.
>      I checked out your website. A little difficult for me to
>  understand ! =8^) How about some pictures of older machines?
> 
> Regards,
> Larry Welsh

In fact there is a few (too few, though) pictures of old trials bikes 
on my site, this page:

http://home.sol.no/broen/historikk.html

I can understand your problem my page, but in this part of the world 
we love to think Norwegian is world language !

Yes, I know that the Greeves was considered as lightweight and easy to 
ride, but I got the impression that especially suspension technonology 
has made a few steps forward since -61. I fond it most enjoyable to 
ride the beast. Reminds me of when I had a BSA M20 with a B33 engine 
on the road. Made me feel like Mike Hailwood at 50 mph ! A 
entertaining way to keep ones driving lisence intact.

Wonder what the BSA B32A will feel like over the rocks.

Nice to know about your Bultaco knowledge, I have this Alpina that 
needs some mending.... 

- -- 
Best wishes
Henrik Broen
Solvangvn. 20
5500 Haugesund
Norway
Tel.:  + (47) 52 71 67 56  /  + (47) 52 85 25 66
Fax.:  + (47) 52 85 08 98
Homepage (motorcycle trials):  http://home.sol.no/broen/
E-mail:  broen@online.no

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:00:17 -0800
From: harold 
Subject: VintDirt Bultaco

I'm a Bultaco person with several restored examples.  Also have other
bikes.  

Any body have a 28mm Mikuni, Amal, or Bing for sale?

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:53:49 -0800
From: Derrick Pero 
Subject: Re: VintDirt first attempt

Larry Welsh wrote:
I just picked up a "72 Bultaco Pursang MK5 250cc" from my father. Is this bike worth 
restoring? Is it anything special?
Later...
Derrick

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:20:32 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: Re: VintDirt A possible solution?

> 
> Just to let you know I received your message that started with 3
> sus***ibe and 3 add***s words just fine.
> 
> We all appreciate your efforts to make a go of the lists.  Hang in
> there.  Your dedication shows.
> 
> Fred Hunter

Hello Fred,

Thanks for the encouragement.  There isn't much in the way of stuff 
posted at the ISP on the majordomo software, so I'm feeling my way 
along.  I think things will settle down in a few days.

Enjoy the lists.

cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:45:06 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Admin stuff - everyone please read

It looks like we'll just have to take our chances on spam-mongers.

I don't have time to handle all the subscription approvals, so I've 
changed the lists to a "confirm" style of subscription.  Apparently, 
the majordomo will send back a confirmation message/number which is 
then resent by the subscriber.  It was a closed subscription, which 
meant I had to approve everyone.  I thought that would be best to 
avoid spammers, but I don't have time, and another list administrator 
has told me that the confirm option works OK (or at least helps).

I've also changed so that you no longer have to be a list member to 
post to the list.  Too many people seem to have trouble, either with 
posting from somewhere other than their subscription address or 
having an address that varies depending on what server the mail goes 
through at the ISP.

This means that as soon as the spammers get the list addresses we're 
at risk.  Again, I don't have time right now to fool with all the 
bounces, so we'll just have to take our lumps.  If spam gets to be a 
problem (more than the occasional message) I'll see about restricting 
posts to list members again.

These changes should vastly reduce the traffic into my in-box.  If 
you have a problem that you can't solve by all means mail me, and 
I'll work with you.

Some of you have bounced - it looks like you might have posted before 
being subscribed (which took a return message from me).  You may now 
be subscribed (I've done everything pending), so you might think 
about reposting your intro messages.

Thanks, and sorry for the bother (on both sides!).  I thought running 
a restrictive policy on the list would make things better for the 
members - I hope loosening things won't make things worse, but I just 
don't have the time to deal with 30-100 subscription approvals/day, 
and another 20-30 bounce messages.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:38:42 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: Re: VintDirt first attempt

> I just picked up a "72 Bultaco Pursang MK5 250cc" from my father. Is this bike worth 
> restoring? Is it anything special?

I wouldn't call it special, but it is certainly worth getting back 
into shape so it can be raced again.

Cheers,
Michael 
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:38:41 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt A tip

Some of you have your text editors set for an extremely wide line, 
and I'm losing some of your text because of that.

I think if you could set for a 70-80 character line with word wrap 
things would work out better.

I don't want to lose any valuable info that I can apply to (swipe
for) my projects.

Thanks,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 20:55:07 -0500
From: Harold 
Subject: Re: VintDirt first attempt

> Larry Welsh wrote:
> I just picked up a "72 Bultaco Pursang MK5 250cc" from my father. Is this bike worth 
> restoring? Is it anything special?
> Later...
> Derri
Well it depends on your taste.  The pursang is a good find if it has its
fiberglass fenders still.  I'm a bultaco collector--perhaps if you don't
want it, I do...?

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:06:34 -0500
From: Harold 
Subject: VintDirt Introduction

I am new on the list.  I have three fully restored Bultaco's--a
motocrosser, a trials bike, and a trail bike.  I have three more
bultacos in various stages of restoration.  I have two hondas--SL 350
and 125, two Hercules GS-250's, a BSA firebird scrambler, a fully
restored allstate 250, and a every day rider 700cc Yamaha Virago.

I live in tallahassee and am always ready to talk motorcycles.  I am in
need of a small mikuni or amal carb.

Thanks,
Harold

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:27:08 -0800
From: Jared Bates 
Subject: VintDirt vint.intro

Well, I'm new to this list so I will intro myself.  My name is Jared Bates,
I live in Glendale, Az (right outside of Phx.) I'm 46 and operate Southwest
Montesa, and have a webpage for parts and restoration of Montesa's.  I
started riding Montesa's in 68 and was a mechanic at a shop that had
Montesa, Rokon, Monarch, and Hodaka.  Raced Mx starting in 71 up until 78,
and rode trials from 72 to present.  Active in AHRMA MX and Trials.  Own
the following, 72, 73, 74, Cota 247, 76 Cota 348, 83 Cota 349, Cota 25,
Cota 49, 74 VR, 76 VA-360, 77 VB-250, 79 VE-414, 63M Cappra, 53M Cappra,
and various other Montesa's that I will probably never get around to
restoring!
						VIVA!  Jared 

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:18:59 +1200
From: David Gibb 
Subject: VintDirt Vintdirt intro

Hi. I'm new to this list. My name is Dave Gibb and I live in Christchurch,
New Zealand. I have been riding motorcycles for 35 years and have competeed
in most forms of motorsport. I rode trials fairly seriously in the mid '70s
on a Montesa Cota 247 but did a lot of long distance touring aroound 1980
and sort of got tired of trials.
I have recently had my interest renewed and now have a 1973? Mick Andrews
Replica Ossa 250 and a Honda TLR 250 of uncertain vintage. (I also own a DR
350 Suzuki, 2 Moto-Guzzi V65's and a Kawasaki GT 750).

I would like to get an airbox for the Ossa as at the moment it has only an
old paper element type filter fitted directly on the carb, not very good for
deep water sections.

Regards from down under.
Dave
David Gibb
MGNOC #12374
daveg@chch.planet.org.nz
Christchurch, New Zealand.

Indecision is the key to flexibility.

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 03:24:30 -0600
From: Fred Hunter 
Subject: Re: VintDirt vint.intro

Own
> the following, 72, 73, 74, Cota 247, 76 Cota 348, 83 Cota 349, Cota 25,
> Cota 49, 74 VR, 76 VA-360, 77 VB-250, 79 VE-414, 63M Cappra, 53M Cappra,
> and various other Montesa's that I will probably never get around to
> restoring!
>                                                 VIVA!  Jared

Jared:

Quite a collection!  But you forgot to give everyone your webpage
address!  And try to post pictures of all your bikes there, too.  It
would be an excellent spotting/learning experience for many of us.  For
instance, I know what a 247 Cota looks like, but not the others.

Best Regards,

Fred Hunter
(Still looking for a 1968 Yamaha DT-1)

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 06:55:07 -0800
From: Derrick Pero 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Introduction

Harold wrote:
> 
> I am new on the list.  I have three fully restored Bultaco's--a
> motocrosser, a trials bike, and a trail bike.  I have three more
> bultacos in various stages of restoration.  
> Thanks,
> Harold

What catagory would a Pursang fall into?
Later...
Derrick

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 06:52:31 -0800
From: Derrick Pero 
Subject: Re: VintDirt first attempt

Harold wrote:
> Well it depends on your taste.  The pursang is a good find if it has its
> fiberglass fenders still.  I'm a bultaco collector--perhaps if you don't
> want it, I do...?

Plastic fenders. I am missing the right side airbox cover if anyone knows where I might 
find one. I will probably be asking a lot of questions as the project progresses. There 
are a few misc. parts from another Bultaco (tank, fenders, engine side plate) that I 
will not be needing if anyone is interested.
Later...
Derrick

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 07:55:41 -0800
From: harold 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Introduction

It's a motocrosser--fairly successful for its time.  Gimmie.

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:32:00 -0800
From: Jared Bates 
Subject: VintDirt webpage

Oops!  I forgot to give my web address for the Montesa page, it's full of
pictures, and useful information for all Montesaphiles!
http://members.aol.com/vr250/vr250.htm
						Cheers! Jared

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Date: 3 Apr 1997 09:45:40 -0800
From: "Rick Cording" 
Subject: VintDirt Test

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               Test

Sorry for bandwidth, but want to make sure I have the right list address. 
Yesterday I sent an intro, but didn't see it on the digest.  Can someone
confirm this got to you?

rick

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 13:51:50 -0500
From: Larry Welsh 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Test

Rick Cording wrote:
> 
 Can someone
> confirm this got to you?

Rick:
     Got it!

Regards,
Larry Welsh

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Date: 3 Apr 97 12:26:38 
From: Miguel Asensio 
Subject: VintDirt Introduction.

Hello All,

A quick note to introduce myself and look for some old parts.

My wife, Valerie, and I are very active riders here in the Tx Hill Country 
where we can ride year round. We moved here, from So. Fla. where it was getting 
too crowded and the riding wasn't all that good anyway,  about a year ago. The 
riding in the Hill Ctry is great, but you do have to watch out for deer, cows, 
hay trucks and monstrous pick up trucks in addition to the usual cages.
We are planning to start roadracing next season on a Honda GP 125.

I'm restoring a '74 Bultaco Pursang and I need some parts to bring it back to 
original condition. The bike was setup as a flattracker and, originally, I 
thought I'd keep it that way but I have since changed my mind.

I need a set of front fork legs and front and rear wheels(including brakes). If 
any one has these items for sale please let me know.


Miguel.
'95 Duc 900 SS
'94 Hon 600 F2
'74 Kaw H1
'74 Bultaco Pursang 360

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 14:32:42 -0800
From: harold 
Subject: VintDirt 360 Pursang Model 136

Miguel:  I assume you know about hughs bultaco?  They have an excellent
web page:    http://www.hughsbultaco.com/
I get good service from them.  Also you might try the American Historic
Racing Motorcycle home page--they have quite a few classifieds.  I don't
have their address--each time I want to go there I just let altavista do
a search.  There's also an outfit out west--I think Reno, NV--called
mobley's bultaco.  I have had moderate luck with them.

Good luck.  That 360 Pursang is nothing to sneeze at!  BTW, I have an
owner's manual and parts manual and would be pleased to xerox any
page(s) you might like to have.

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:27:49 -0800
From: Derrick Pero 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Introduction

harold wrote:
> 
> It's a motocrosser--fairly successful for its time.  Gimmie.

Sorry Harold...
I'de like to give a shot at restoring it first.
Why DO you want it so bad anyway?:)
Later...
Derrick

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:55:35 -0800
From: Derrick Pero 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Introduction.

Miguel Asensio wrote:
> 
> I'm restoring a '74 Bultaco Pursang and I need some parts to bring it back to
> original condition. The bike was setup as a flattracker and, originally, I
> thought I'd keep it that way but I have since changed my mind.
> 
> I need a set of front fork legs and front and rear wheels(including brakes). If
> any one has these items for sale please let me know.
> 
> Miguel.
> '95 Duc 900 SS
> '94 Hon 600 F2
> '74 Kaw H1
> '74 Bultaco Pursang 360

Great! I am also restoring a Pursang ('72 250). I do have some misc. parts but need to 
sort through them all first to see what I need.
Later...
Derrick

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 20:50:15 -0500
From: Harold 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Introduction

> Why DO you want it so bad anyway?:)
> Later...
> Derrick

I MUST HAVE IT!!!  I WANT ALL BULTACOS!  ALL OF THEM MUST BE MINE, MINE,
MINE!  GIMEEEEEEE!

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 21:35:14 -0800
From: Phil Kopp 
Subject: VintDirt Introduction

Hello,

I'm a dedicated bike junky, and a newly enthusiastic off-road rider.
Vintage dirt suits me perfectly. Around here (Seattle) people will _give_
you old bikes if you'll just take them away! And if you trash it on some
mountain road, all you're out is cab fare home. :)

My main bike project these days is a '74 XL250. I noticed it sitting
outside my prospective neighbor's garage in the rain when I came to look at
this house with the real estate agent. I figured a bike in the vicinity
made it my kind of neighborhood, so I bought the place and later convinced
my neighbor that I would be a better influence on the XL than he was.

I am, but it took a couple of years for it to get to the top of the to-do
list. I decided to try and get it running before I spent a lot of money on
tires and a chain. Couple quarts of oil, a spark plug, a rebuilt carb and
about a thousand kicks later it ran. Sorta. Pumped black smoke like a
diesel. I did get a chain, though and I rode it around a little. Just
enough to realize I would really enjoy a lighweight go-anywhere bike. Can't
wait to roost! Whatever that is.

I pulled the top of the engine off and it was mostly good news. Middle ring
was in three pieces, but piston and cylinder looked fine. Intake valves are
pitted, but the exhausts are clean. Couple of new valves, clean up the head
and some new gaskets. Assembly is scheduled for next Wednesday night.

I am having the piston 'coated'. Shop seems to think this is the hot setup.
Ceramic on top, tungsten-something on the sides and something else I can't
remember on the bottom. Very high tech.

In the process of getting this one to run, I picked up another XL for
parts. Turned out to be a rather nice 72 with a few missing parts. There
are only enough electrical parts for one, so I will eventually rebuild the
72 for the scrambles track.

A very clean 67 CL160 completes the collection of 'vintage-dirt'.

I'll post progress reports as I make any. I would appreciate any
suggestions regarding upgrading the suspension. The frame and swingarm look
a little spindly.

Soon to be in the dirt...

Phil Kopp
Seattle

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End of VintDirt-digest V1 #3
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VintDirt-digest        Saturday, April 5 1997        Volume 01 : Number 004




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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:58:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Murray 
Subject: VintDirt Bultacos for sale

I'm selling my two 1969 Bultaco Matador 250s.  One is in very good
shape, the other is a parts bike.   The good one has very nice
paint on the tank, runs, and is registered (non-op).  It needs a new petcock
(the one on it is partially clogged) and the stock aluminum fenders
have cracked.  I have manuals for it and the IRZ trials carb and
manifold kit, and a Mikuni carb and manifold.
I'm selling it because I don't have the time to finish it and I want
the garage space so I can work on my vintage Montessa.

I'm asking $600 for both bikes.   I'm in the SF bay area.
Pics are at http://www.lne.com/ericm/bultaco/

- -- 
   Eric Murray  ericm@lne.com  Network security and encryption consulting.
PGP keyid:E03F65E5 fingerprint:50 B0 A2 4C 7D 86 FC 03  92 E8 AC E6 7E 27 29 AF

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Date: 4 Apr 97 10:15:00 
From: Miguel Asensio 
Subject: VintDirt Bultaco greed

>> Why DO you want it so bad anyway?:)
>> Later...
>> Derrick

>I MUST HAVE IT!!!  I WANT ALL BULTACOS!  ALL OF THEM MUST BE MINE, MINE,
>MINE!  GIMEEEEEEE!

Hey, we all have a right to own Bultacos. I have a huge emotional attachment to 
Bultacos, having grown up in Spain in the 70's.
The first bike I ever rode on was an early 70's Bultaco Lobito 74cc and it 
changed my life. Soon after that, I found myself saving allowance money to buy 
a hotrodded Garelli (bored out to 65 cc, clipons and solo seat, etc...) without 
my parents knowledge(I was 16 at the time). I used to keep the bike in front of 
the local police station at nights and change the oil on the street behind my 
parents house.
The bike I wanted at the time was the Derbi 74cc replica racer( I don't know if 
they ever made it to the states).
I remember riding Pursangs and Ossa Phantoms in the late 70s before I moved to 
the states.

Thanks to these early bike experiences, I haven't been able to sleep a single 
night in the last 20 years without dreaming about bikes.

So you can imagine my state of mind when I wandered into the Bike Week Woods 
auction at Deland in '9 6 and I saw this Pursang-based flattracker. I had to 
have it!
I debated whether I should keep it as a flattracker and I decided to restore it 
original condition. I can always, and easily, put the flattrack parts back on 
it if I want to.

Miguel.
95 Duc 900 SS
94 Honda F2
74 Kaw H1
74 Bultaco Pursang 360

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:43:20 -0800
From: harold 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Bultaco greed

OOOps, vintage bike list personages:  I meant to send my bultaco picture
only to Miguel.  Sorry.

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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:11:17 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Graphics posted to the lists

Hello folks,
Just a reminder - please don't post graphics to the list.

First off, it can overload some peoples systems (and they might not 
even be interested in the picture).

Even more important, the lists are configured to a maximum message 
size, and most graphics will exceed that.  This means your message 
will just be bounced anyway, and any valuable comments that may have 
been included with the graphic file will be lost forever (or at least 
until you repost them without the graphics).

And yes, someone did just attempt to post a graphics file.

Out of curiousity, did majordomo fail to send out the intro file when 
you subscribed?  I mentioned the graphics policy (and other similar 
stuff) in that.  Perhaps it is the old RTFM problem rearing its head.

Thanks,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:07:25 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt FYI - Subscribers, gen list stuff

As of 3:56PM on Friday (PST) the subscribers stats are:

30 vintage-dirt
80 vintage-roadrace
31 lightweight-roadrace
19 suzuki-gs-twin
68 mc-chassis-design

Things now seem to be moving along pretty well glitch-wise.  I posted 
about the lists to the different rec.moto.??? lists this morning, so 
maybe we'll pick up some more people soon.  I suspect that 
vintage-dirt might get some from rec.moto.dirt as there often seems 
to be a thread about starting a rec.moto.vintage-dirt list (which 
hasn't happened as far as I know).

For those of you who might be shy about posting to the lists because
of a perceived lack of knowledge on the topics - don't be.  I think
that you'll find that most people are glad to educate (different
from berate, mind you), and at times some of us will find out that
we didn't know quite as much as we thought we did when we first
answer someone's question.  I've certainly learned some stuff over 
the past 1.25 years of being on mailing lists.

Besides, it is often interesting to me when someone asks a question 
about a bike in their garage that, while to them is just "their old 
bike", turns out to be some bit of rare/exotic/wierd/famous tackle.
I know that some of you have some pretty interesting scoots - tell us 
some details:  are they reliable, do you have to make all your own 
parts, are they really worth +/- 10 seconds a lap?

Thanks to everyone who's been posting - I'm having fun.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 18:25:17 -0400
From: Henrik Broen 
Subject: VintDirt Footrests

On footrests and where to put them

I have just come back from a bit of practising with the local club. 
For a while I swopped bikes with a friend (-61 Greeves Scottish and 
- -96 Beta Techno !) First thing I noticed, was the difference in 
footrest position. A previous owner has modified my Greeves so the 
footrest is now abt one inch higher and bit behind the s/a pivot 
point. The Beta had the rests far lower, and it felt so much more 
secure. Better balance and much more comfortable.

Qustion to the list: Is there a rule of thumb on where to place 
footrests on a trials bike, in both horisontal and vertical plane ?

Biggest suprise of the session was what my friend said after borrowing 
my bike: Absolutely not hopeless !

(I will soon put some pictures of the Greeves on my web-site)


- -- 
Best wishes
Henrik Broen
Solvangvn. 20
5500 Haugesund
Norway
Tel.:  + (47) 52 71 67 56  /  + (47) 52 85 25 66
Fax.:  + (47) 52 85 08 98
Homepage (motorcycle trials):  http://home.sol.no/broen/
E-mail:  broen@online.no

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VintDirt-digest         Sunday, April 6 1997         Volume 01 : Number 005




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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 08:35:55 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Footrests

> Qustion to the list: Is there a rule of thumb on where to place 
> footrests on a trials bike, in both horisontal and vertical plane ?

> Henrik Broen

Hello Henrik,

From what I've gathered on the trials list you should try to put the
pegs as low as possible while ensuring that you can't trap your toes
if they get pointed down while going over a log or start catching
them on obstacles.  The lower your pegs the lower your overall
center of gravity.

I'm not as clear on the fore/aft placement, so I'll be interested to 
see what someone has to say on that.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 22:24:59 -0800
From: Jared Bates 
Subject: VintDirt tank sealant

>Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 22:24:11 -0800
>To: Trials board
>From: Jared Bates 
>Subject: tank sealant
>
>Help! I have a fibreglass tank that is being eaten alive by the MTBE in
our gas here (Arizona) I drained out the old gas and washed out the tank.
What can I use as a sealant in the 90's?  In the seventies, we used a
yellow "sloshing" compound by Protecto.  Is there a better way to do it?
>Any help would be appreciated.
>               						Regards, Jared

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:34:47 +1200
From: David Gibb 
Subject: Re: VintDirt tank sealant

At 10:24 pm 04-04-97 -0800, you wrote:
>>Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 22:24:11 -0800
>>To: Trials board
>>From: Jared Bates 
>>Subject: tank sealant
>>
>>Help! I have a fibreglass tank that is being eaten alive by the MTBE in
our gas here (Arizona) I drained out the old gas and washed out the tank.
>What can I use as a sealant in the 90's?  In the seventies, we used a
>yellow "sloshing" compound by Protecto.  Is there a better way to do it?
>>Any help would be appreciated.
>>               						Regards, Jared
>
>
Hi Jared,
Interesting to read your post, Ossa has a problem with the gas seeping
through the fibreglass and bubbling up the the paint. I am just (today)
going to try some "Kreem" (Kreem Products. P.O. box 399 South California
93066.) which is supposed to be the way to go, give me a couple of months
and I will tell you what happens.
Regards
Dave
David Gibb
MGNOC #12374
daveg@chch.planet.org.nz
Christchurch, New Zealand.

Indecision is the key to flexibility.

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Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 19:15:25 -0500
From: Harold 
Subject: Re: VintDirt tank sealant

> 
> >
> Hi Jared,
> Interesting to read your post, Ossa has a problem with the gas seeping
> through the fibreglass and bubbling up the the paint. I am just (today)
> going to try some "Kreem" (Kreem Products. P.O. box 399 South California
> 93066.) which is supposed to be the way to go, give me a couple of months
> and I will tell you what happens.
> Regards
> Dave
> David Gibb
> MGNOC #12374
> daveg@chch.planet.org.nz
> Christchurch, New Zealand.
> 
> Indecision is the key to flexibility.
> 

When you paint the tank, ensure that you seal the tank with epoxy
barrier coat--available at any marine paint source, ie, E&B, Westmarine,
etc.  Polyester resin is pourous whereas epoxy isn't.  Trying to prevent
the bubbles under the paint with tank sealer on the inside is risky
business because you would have to ensure that the whole inside is
coated--a difficult task, whereas ensuring that the outside is covered
with barrier coat is much easier.

If you have any repairs to make to the tank, be sure to use epoxy resin,
not polyester.  Epoxy costs about twice to three times as much, but it
is impervious to gasoline, and other motorcycle juices.

Barrier coat is designed to prevent osmosis of water into the fiberglass
laminate, but it works very well to keep gasoline from causing the paint
to lift from the inside.

Good luck--it's best to put gas in the tank for a month or two before
you put a fancy paint job on, particularly if you're unfamiliar with
barrier coat application.  Incidentally, barrier coat applies just like
a primer, which it is, after a fashion.

Harold Mclean

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 12:56:33 +1200
From: David Gibb 
Subject: Re: VintDirt tank sealant

At 07:15 pm 05-04-97 -0500, you wrote:
> Hi Jared,
>> Interesting to read your post, Ossa has a problem with the gas seeping>>
through the fibreglass and bubbling up the the paint. I am just (today)>>
going to try some "Kreem" (Kreem Products. P.O. box 399 South California
Snip
>
>When you paint the tank, ensure that you seal the tank with epoxy
>barrier coat--available at any marine paint source, ie, E&B, Westmarine,
etc.  Polyester resin is pourous whereas epoxy isn't.  Trying to prevent the
bubbles under the paint with tank sealer on the inside is risky business
because you would have to ensure that the whole inside is coated--a
difficult task, whereas ensuring that the outside is covered with barrier
coat is much easier.
Snip
>Barrier coat is designed to prevent osmosis of water into the
fiberglasslaminate, but it works very well to keep gasoline from causing the
paint to lift from the inside.
>Snip
>
>Harold Mclean
>
Hi Harold.
Thanks for the information, unfortunaetly the tank was painted just before I
bought the Ossa and so I don't know what was used to seal the tank. I don't
want to have to strip and repaint it if I can get away with using the Kreem
so I will try that first.
When are you heading for NZ?
Regards
Dave
David Gibb
MGNOC #12374
daveg@chch.planet.org.nz
Christchurch, New Zealand.

Indecision is the key to flexibility.

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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 18:47:10 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Additions to the Laverda weights page

The Barry Watkins articles on building light MX bikes in the early 
1970s got me into weighing parts on my bikes.  Several weeks ago I 
started a page on my web site to record the SF2RR Laverda road 
racer's component weights as it goes back together.

I've just added some more component weights.  The front forks were
already there, and I've added swing arm, front wheel, rear wheel,
rear dampers/springs, exhaust and frame weights.  Remaining are the
footpegs and mounts, battery/electronics/tach, clip ons and hand
controls, front brake caliper/mount/master cylinder, tank, seat,
fairing and mounts, engine stuff, and anything else I've skipped.

I've totaled the individual components at the bottom of the page.
Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:33:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bmwtrihon@aol.com
Subject: Re: VintDirt FYI - Subscribers, gen list stuff

MM,  i have tried to subscribe several times to to chasis design but failed.
any tips



john

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VintDirt-digest        Wednesday, April 9 1997        Volume 01 : Number 006




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Date: 7 Apr 1997 11:22:49 -0800
From: "Rick Cording" 
Subject: VintDirt Intro

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               Intro

Here's my 2nd attempt at sending an intro (the 1st is probably following
Hale-Bob into cyberspace).  I've recently been inflicted by the vintage dirt
bike disease, having been a long time sufferer of the brit bike strain (Velo,
Commando(s) and Cub).  Actually vintage dirt bikes are a return to my roots
having grown up in the late 60's early 70's riding the so. California deserts.
 All those bikes I lusted over but couldn't convince my parents to finance can
now be mine!  

Well I started a couple of months ago by dragging a beat up '73 CZ 400 home. 
Who said restoring 2-stroke dirt bikes are easier than brit bikes?  Sure they
have fewer parts, but what they do have is usually either missing or bent!  So
when a 2nd '73 CZ 400 appeared in the papers a couple of weeks ago I moved
quickly (there's got to be hundreds who will also want a decrepit old dirt
bike right?).  Funny how the 2nd bike had the same missing or bent parts as
the 1st...  Anyway I'm hooked.  One or both hopefully will be up and running
by summers end.  Lately I've been calling on both an '70 Ossa Stilleto and a
'74 250 Husky.  Help!  Is there a cure for this disease?  (or at least advise
on these 2 models?)

Anyway, very excited to see a list that caters to my/our obsession.

rick

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:39:07 -0400
From: "thebleys" 
Subject: [none]

Hello all...

Hoping this msg gets to the right place.

Thanks for the vintage MX list; for my part I am an active AHRMA MXer and
currently race a 1972 CZ 125 and a 1974 CZ 400. I am also working on a 1964
CZ 175 Trials for competition in  AHRMA vintage trials. I buy/sell/trade
CZs and parts (dirt bikes only) and am compiling a list of CZ dirt riders -
the JCPS, Jawa/CZ Preservation Society. The listing is free and I only need
your name and mailing address.

Also, I am currently looking for a 1964/65 Honda CL72 to race in the
Premier division and would appreciate any racing/performance upgrade info
on these bikes.

Thanks again, Rick # 90E.

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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 22:04:52
From: Jerry831@gnn.com (Jerry Erickson)
Subject: VintDirt intro

My name is Jerry and I have just recently acquired the vintage bike bug.  
When my bike count hit 20 I knew I was really sick.  Help!  How do I stop?  
Currently have mostly Huskys, Pentons, Montesas, Honda Scramblers and a lone 
441 Victor.  Really need to sell some but have a major problem parting with 
any.  

Several parts I need are:  Exhaust pipe for 74 Husky 125CR,  3rd gear for a 
123 Montesa Cota circa 73,  Electrical pices for 68 Victor Special.  

Oh yea, anybody have a flywheel puller for the old MotoPlats?  Or know where 
I can get one?  

Thanks

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:34:42 -1000
From: bsagsdgw@maui.net (Webster Family)
Subject: Re: VintDirt intro

Jerry,
Contact Dane Limback at Hi-Point in Lorraine , Ohio for a puller. See any
Cycle News for Hi-Points address.
Aloha,Dave

David Webster
Maui, Hawaii

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:02:40 -0400
From: "thebleys" 
Subject: VintDirt CZ Trials

I am working on two CZ Trials model 470 bikes, both 175 cc machines, one to
sell, the other to use in AHRMA Trials competition. I need an owner/service
manual, carb cover, mud skirts (or loan of a set for duplication) and set
of front forks. I have CZ MX parts to trade or will purchase. Thanks, Rick.

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:57:28 -0500
From: scott.barrie@CIMtegration.com (Scott Barrie)
Subject: Re: VintDirt CZ Trials

>I am working on two CZ Trials model 470 bikes, both 175 cc machines, one to
>sell, the other to use in AHRMA Trials competition. I need an owner/service
>manual, carb cover, mud skirts (or loan of a set for duplication) and set
>of front forks. I have CZ MX parts to trade or will purchase. Thanks, Rick.

Hi Rick:

I am not familiar with the model 470. However, I did have a CZ 250
Trial/Trail back in the 60's and it may have been a similar bike - I know
it was available in several displacements. It came with full lighting gear,
upswept pipe with aluminum (?) heat shield and chrome stinger, vinyl skirt
around the air box. If I remember correctly, the gearshift was also the
kickstart, you just pushed it in towards the engine and it swung up to the
kickstart position. It also automatically released the clutch when you
proceeded to change gears.

Are we talking about the same bike?

It seems to me the manual for mine is kicking around somewhere.... exactly
where is the question. So, if you're not in a hurry I will have a look.

Cheers

Scott Barrie

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:09:49 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: Re: VintDirt CZ Trials

> I am working on two CZ Trials model 470 bikes, both 175 cc machines, one to
> sell, the other to use in AHRMA Trials competition. I need an owner/service
> manual, carb cover, mud skirts (or loan of a set for duplication) and set
> of front forks. I have CZ MX parts to trade or will purchase. Thanks, Rick.

Rick,

be sure to check out Reese Dengler's Czechpoint page (a link is on my 
clublink page).  He's got a bunch of CZ/Jawa/Eso bikes and a very 
nice page with good photos/histories of the different Czech bikes.

Cheers,
Michael 
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:54:43 -0400
From: "thebleys" 
Subject: Re: VintDirt CZ Trials

Michael, yep I know Reese. He sure has put together a fine website. Rick.

- ----------
> From: Michael Moore 
> To: vintage-dirt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: VintDirt CZ Trials
> Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 9:09 AM
> 
> > I am working on two CZ Trials model 470 bikes, both 175 cc machines,
one to
> > sell, the other to use in AHRMA Trials competition. I need an
owner/service
> > manual, carb cover, mud skirts (or loan of a set for duplication) and
set
> > of front forks. I have CZ MX parts to trade or will purchase. Thanks,
Rick.
> 
> Rick,
> 
> be sure to check out Reese Dengler's Czechpoint page (a link is on my 
> clublink page).  He's got a bunch of CZ/Jawa/Eso bikes and a very 
> nice page with good photos/histories of the different Czech bikes.
> 
> Cheers,
> Michael 
> Michael Moore
> Euro Spares, SF CA
> Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
> Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide
for constructors"
> http://www.eurospares.com
> AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:55:52 -0400
From: "thebleys" 
Subject: Re: VintDirt CZ Trials

Scott, tnx for reply. Yep that's the same bike. The manual (or copy) would
be greatly appreciatd. Thanks, Rick.

- ----------
> From: Scott Barrie 
> To: vintage-dirt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: VintDirt CZ Trials
> Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 8:57 AM
> 
> 
> 
> >I am working on two CZ Trials model 470 bikes, both 175 cc machines, one
to
> >sell, the other to use in AHRMA Trials competition. I need an
owner/service
> >manual, carb cover, mud skirts (or loan of a set for duplication) and
set
> >of front forks. I have CZ MX parts to trade or will purchase. Thanks,
Rick.
> 
> Hi Rick:
> 
> I am not familiar with the model 470. However, I did have a CZ 250
> Trial/Trail back in the 60's and it may have been a similar bike - I know
> it was available in several displacements. It came with full lighting
gear,
> upswept pipe with aluminum (?) heat shield and chrome stinger, vinyl
skirt
> around the air box. If I remember correctly, the gearshift was also the
> kickstart, you just pushed it in towards the engine and it swung up to
the
> kickstart position. It also automatically released the clutch when you
> proceeded to change gears.
> 
> Are we talking about the same bike?
> 
> It seems to me the manual for mine is kicking around somewhere....
exactly
> where is the question. So, if you're not in a hurry I will have a look.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Scott Barrie
> 

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:02:12 -0700
From: bg@fog.net
Subject: VintDirt Husky for sale

1970 Husky Viking 360 Motocross. All original,needs restoration. Runs. Best
offer or trade for ???   Located near San Francisco.

                                                Bill (415)728-5440
                                                bg@fog.net

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:45:59 -0700
From: Brian McPeek 
Subject: VintDirt Ducati R/T 450

Looking for information, manual(s) and/or parts for a 70/72 Ducati R/T
450.  I need the complete rear wheel and engine chain cover.
Any information on this bike would be appreciated.

Brian McPeek
Easton, Pa.

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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:07:44 -0400
From: "thebleys" 
Subject: VintDirt Webmeister

Michael, to get this site going why not contact AHRMA and place the info in
their "latest" section. I am sure the membership would be appreciative.
Rick.

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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:56:07 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Webmeister - notifying AHRMA

> Michael, to get this site going why not contact AHRMA and place the info in
> their "latest" section. I am sure the membership would be appreciative.
> Rick.

Hello Rick,

That is on my "to do" list, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.  
I'll also drop a line to Vintage Views for mention in the newsletter. 
If I can get my taxes done early enough this weekend I'll try and 
remember to take care of this.

Of course, until then everyone will just have to chip in and post 
something/start a thread!

Thanks for the suggestion,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:13:08 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: VintDirt Vintage Schedule at Laguna Seca

This information comes from the confirmation card I got from Team
Obsolete for this weekend's vintage exhibition races at the AMA
National at Laguna Seca:

Thursday:  tech & registration 3-6PM
Friday:  Gates open & tech at 7AM, practice 8AM and 12:40PM
Saturday:  Gates open & tech at 7AM, practice 9AM, race 3:30PM
Sunday:  Race at 10:10 AM, "Parade of Exotice Bikes Sunday Midday"

I plan to be at the track starting at 3PM on Thursday to help with
tech.  I'll be riding a Ducati single, number 211, hopefully on both
Saturday and Sunday (I entered the Laverda in Saturday's race but it
isn't going to make it, so I've got to see about switching the entry
into a different class).

I've been told that all the vintage bikes will be pitted in one area.
Stop by and say hello if you get into the pits.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:29:43 -0500
From: "Rick R. McDowell" 
Subject: VintDirt Introduction

Hello Everyone,

This is my first message to this list and it is more of a test than
anything.  I have a custom shop here in southern Iowa where I am a
custom gunsmith making very specialized competition "racing" firearms. 
I raced motocross during the 70's but quit around 1978.  

With the growing interest in Vintage racing in this area and the
burning desire to get back out there and stuff someone in a berm, I
have restored my 1974 450 Maico to like new condition.  Now it is
almost too new to ride, it would make me sick to scratch it.  In the
near future I will be restoring my 1973 250 CZ which has about 10
original hours on it.  A friend had it and only raced it twice. 
Another friend has a 1973 250 Husky in like new condition, but I think
I will have to out live him to get it away from him.

The Bing carb on the Maico leaks a little more than normal and I was
wondering what the trick is to get the needle seat out of it so I can
replace it.  I am going to need a new set of clutch plates and ignition
points too.  Any one have any?

Thanks!

Rick McDowell
Competition Specialties

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Date: 16 Apr 1997 08:26:04 -0800
From: "Rick Cording" 
Subject: VintDirt Magnum Pipes?

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               Magnum Pipes?

Does anyone have the phone number for Magnum Pipes?  I'd like to discuss the
possibilities of getting one of his pipes for my CZ.  By the way, if anyone
has a lead on a CZ seat let me know as well, as my project showed up without
one (and yes I know that the European riders used to practice without one, but
not this out of shape desk jockey...)

rick

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:06:24 +0100
From: John Goodpaster 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Magnum Pipes?

>Mail*Link(r) SMTP               Magnum Pipes?
>
>Does anyone have the phone number for Magnum Pipes?  I'd like to discuss the
>possibilities of getting one of his pipes for my CZ.  By the way, if anyone
>has a lead on a CZ seat let me know as well, as my project showed up without
>one (and yes I know that the European riders used to practice without one, but
>not this out of shape desk jockey...)
>
>rick

	Try Vintage Iron  1 800 422  iron. I still can't figure out the
letters for the numbers thing. Rick has a lot of CZ stuff.................

John Goodpaster
   AHRMA

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:34:33 -0400
From: Harold 
Subject: VintDirt Bore or hone?

I have a Hercules GS-250 which is no big deal but for the cost of a
pistion which is $170.  I have a second oversized piston, and now must
enlarge the bore of the jug to fit the piston.

Years ago, I read an article which said that one should never hone a
cylinder, but should only bore it.

The local machine shop I normally use for all types of stuff wants to
hone the cylinder, assuring me that the bore will be round and the sides
parallel.  Should I hold out for a boring bar, or what?

I don't want to do the bike again any time soon.
Thanks in advance,

Harold Mclean

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:25:57 -0800
From: "Michael Moore" 
Subject: Re: VintDirt Bore or hone?

> Years ago, I read an article which said that one should never hone a
> cylinder, but should only bore it.
> 
> The local machine shop I normally use for all types of stuff wants to
> hone the cylinder, assuring me that the bore will be round and the sides
> parallel.  Should I hold out for a boring bar, or what?
> 
> I don't want to do the bike again any time soon.
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Harold Mclean

Hello Harold,

Your shop should bore the cylinder slightly undersize first.  This 
will ensure the cyinder is straight (if there isn't some problem in 
the machine setup), and then they'll hone the cylinder to a final 
size.  The hone will remove less metal, making it easier to hold the 
tolerance, and it follows the bore.  If the bore is worn and you try 
to hone it out to the next size the hone will follow the wear and 
won't give a straight bore.  A brush hone will leave a good 
cross-hatch for break-in, and radius the port windows some too.

The best thing when boring a cylinder is to have deck or torque
plates installed, which will help duplicate the installed dimensions
of the cylinder.  After putting a radius on all the ports scrub the
cylinder several times with a stiff plastic brush and soapy water. 
Some people swear by putting the cylinder in the dish water on the
heavy duty cycle, and say that the dishwasher detergent has
anti-rust agents so that rust isn't a concern.

Don't forget to check the squish clearance between the piston and 
head when reassembling.  Anything over .040" is too wide - the 
minimum dimension varies with the engine in question.

Cheers,
Michael
Michael Moore
Euro Spares, SF CA
Distributor of Lucas RITA and Powerbase products
Sole North American source of "The Racing Motorcycle: a technical guide for constructors"
http://www.eurospares.com
AFM/AHRMA #364

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:39:58 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dan Hankerson 
Subject: VintDirt can-am rotax

Hi all. Im trying to get my 250 flat tracker going to race at sturgis.
   Its a 1975 can-am rotax engine in a cheney flat track frame.
     I just got it running after 15 years of storage. The problem is the
kick starter keeps clicking after its running. probaly a spring but do I
need to split the casings to fix this?  Any can-am experts out there?
                                                                            
                                  Dan

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